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Nortona temp for Open Letter
to Jeanne d'Arc
Reply to Lynn: Posted
by: Lynn on April
18, 2003 09:43 PM
Lynn-
Sorry Lynn for confusing your post with Joel.
Lynn wrote: ""We're pacifists. We don't
believe in war, period. Therefore, using analogies of one war to another isn't
going to cut it in persuading us to make a special exception for the war on
Iraq.""
Let's start with some questions.
) Does a group of humans need to set up rules to
live together?
) Does a large group need a government?
) Do they need laws? Criminal, commerce, civil and
etc?
) Do they need jurisdictions? Example, county to
county, varying from city to city or village to village.
) Will they need law enforcement?
If there is a yes to any of these, true nonviolence
is not possible.
What is war? Two groups disagreeing and at least one
side deciding to use force?
War is just a large (meaning millions of people)
conflict between two different groups that end in the use of force.
To break this down to the smallest element (X), I
will use the example of a rapist (X) and a law enforcement officer. If the
rapist doesn't give up peacefully then the officer will have to use force. The
amount of force the officer uses will depend on how the rapist decides to
resist arrest. Bomb, hostage, gun and or talked into surrender (diplomacy).
If this conflict (X) is at a Nation level and talk
(diplomacy) is successful we may have to let the leader stay in power (No
change in the leaders status). So, taking this back to the basic element (the rapist
(X) we have to let him walk the streets free because he told the negotiators he
wouldn't do it again.
This would not be a good solution resolving the
rapist law breaking, yet on a national level leaders get off similarly all the
time. This is the solution a lot of people proposed when Saddam invaded Kuwait.
A military is a large law enforcement body in
reality.
I know your going to say it is used wrongly against
others or other jurisdictions.
I will argue eminent domain is a use of force
against another’s wishes. Example, an attorney here has a 12-mill dollar
building downtown that the city wants to take from him. Two blocks up the
street is a 12 story Bank of America building on a corner lot with a parking
structure. This building was built 15 year before the attorney's small
six-story building. The bank building was built for 7.5-mill. IMO the city
would be better served taking the bank Building. But city's superego wants the
attorney's building. Guess what they can get it by "eminent domain".
Eminent domain another word for the use of force against an individual's
wishes. Guess what if the building isn't surrendered the city will send out the
law enforcement....
My point is exceptions are made all the time whether
you’re knowingly aware of it or not.
I think your position is wrong in regards to Iraq.
Actually, I feel we are at the least 12 years late with Iraq, if not more.
I say it is better to be late than never. Which is
the opposite view of: ""I cannot entertain the thought of
intervention because it always comes far too late""
Say that to Black America, we Americans have been
ever so late on every thing almost. The founding Fathers didn't like the
non-emancipation of slaves but felt having all the colonies included was better
than rejecting some states because they demanded the right to own slaves.
IMO, the Founding Fathers were
buying time, which meant we, as a Nation would be late for black Americans.
If there were errors in my information it would not
surprise me because all this came rolling off the top of my head today.
I thought about the American Indian in my next post
and the education of the Palestinian.
Charles Nelson April 19, 2003
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am.
My semi solution for Palestine problem would have been
for Israel to require every Palestinian child to go to school which Israel
would have provided including part of the teaching staff and curriculum
starting 35 years ago. I think if they had done that we could put together a
Peaceful co-existence between Palestine and Israel today.
You could have e-mailed me and said something about the ban;
I guess I was lucky to find this post of yours on your site. At least I now
know your feelings on the matter of my posts.
Thank you; again for the opportunity you gave me to reply.
Some sites do not provide a way to comment. I truly do mean thanks.
Sincerely,
Charles Nelson